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  About the ten plagues in Egypt

  by runForever in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  alot of people are saying god is cruel for killing the firstborns and animals and people in the ten plagues.

  but didn't god achieve his goal of making nations and people be in fear of him?.

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  Black Sheep

  Exodus 9:5. How could he kill the first born animals when he had already killed them?
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  Is it worth it trying to wake up a friend and my parents?

  by Mr. Self-Destruct in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my situation right now is trying that how my friend and parents that the jw's are not the true religion.

  i've shown numerous examples of flip flopped doctrine, false predicions, the validity of the jesus choosing the bible students in 1919 and more.

  but it seems that although the recognize these mistakes they ask me, "aren't you happy the organization is making progress?

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  Black Sheep

  Don't tell them anything they shouldn't already know.

  Don't show them anything they shouldn't already know.

  Don't show them sources they won't/don't trust.

  Show them their own literatrash and ask them to explain it.

  Ask them questions.

  Don't answer their questions unless it suits your purposes.

  Don't accept diversions.

  Give them guilt trips for any devious tactics or bullying they try on you. Double standards are fair game here.

  Ask questions to highlight dishonesty and double standards, so that they are defending their actoins, and you are not you defending your statements.
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  How did you feel when you got baptised? Seriously....

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  so recently, several over-righteous ones in the cong were discussing "how amazing it felt when they got baptised".

  statements like "how awesome did it feel as you got raised back out of the water?!".

  or the classic "i felt so close to jehovah as i came out of the pool"!.

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  Black Sheep

  I didn't
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  Why can't I just leave?

  by Trapped in JW land in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  some of you may know my situation.

  i'm still going to meetings, but i am a closet apostate and homosexual i. only keep going to meetings to please my family and some friends.

  i guess i could tell my mom i no longer want to be a jehovah's witness and stop going to meetings, but i'm too scared to do it.

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  Black Sheep

  "This can work if done right, but it's still traumatic, and it has to be done carefully and with a measure of planning."

  There is no painless way to wake up that you have wasted decades and trashed relationships in exchange for membership in a looney cult. We have to take that into consideration when talking to cult members, but it shouldn't stop us from trying. It's not only about them. I've seen cult members trying to recruit from their death beds, an excellent time to show off their faith without having to answer difficult questions.
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  Why can't I just leave?

  by Trapped in JW land in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  some of you may know my situation.

  i'm still going to meetings, but i am a closet apostate and homosexual i. only keep going to meetings to please my family and some friends.

  i guess i could tell my mom i no longer want to be a jehovah's witness and stop going to meetings, but i'm too scared to do it.

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  Black Sheep

  Instead of being honest with your mother, start asking her questions that make her be dishonest with you to defend her choice to stay with a failed doomsday cult.Don't tell her anything she shouldn't already know from her own church's rantings and historical facts she already knows, just ask sincere questions that will affect her .... not you .... her, then keep her honest if she tries any tricks to weasel her way out of an honest answer. Act offended if she tries to fool you into changes of subject or any type of bullying.

  Do not express your own opinions, as she has been programmed not to listen to anything opposing, just corner her into defending her opinions and choices, while you practice a bit of shut up.

  Be the last to leave, not the first. We all know how that goes.
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  Please,I need non-"apostate" info./sites for my exit case on following topics

  by Kensho in

  1. social
  2. entertainment

  i'm preparing for my exit after 4 years of de-programming myself from the cult (much help from here..thank you) been fading for as long as i can to keep decades of family and friends, but the moment the "real truth" is arriving soon.. i desire to make an intelligent defense for my actions and of course will never get to first base using any resource material that will shut down the process by my blind brothers and family members.. i have collected some resources on my own, but would appreciate help in the following.. 1) child abuse.

  2) ngo un docs.

  3) follow the money any public records of what the borg spends or invest our money on.

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  Black Sheep

  Don't show them anything that they don't trust. Show them their own litteratrash, and ask them to explain it while you practice a bit of shutup.

  Don't pick a subject that impresses you, pick one that affects them, personally. Something that they said to you in the past. And don't start anything. Let them start, then steer the conversation to where you want it to be, ask your question, then shut up except to make them talk, stop them changing the subject and to keep them honest.

  It is their job to defend their decision to stay with a failed doomsday cult, not your job to explain your decision to leave. Don't express your opinions, they don't want to hear them except to find an excuse to bash your character.

  Repetition for emphasis:

  Shut up

  Make them do the talking
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  If a parrot spoke to Eve instead of a serpent??

  by jam in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  would that change your view on the account???

  that's.

  plausible.. .

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  Parrots wouldn't have legs or wings.
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  Why are you treated as mentally ill if you try to leave?

  by wallievase in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i would just like to know why people are always treated like you have to be depressed or have some type of serious mental issue if you try to leave?

  you cant just leave because its not for you?.

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  Black Sheep

  Because they are told to that by the church leaders.

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2011524
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  Apple Cider Vinegar

  by poppers in

  1. social
  2. physical

  i've been drinking 1 tbs with a glass of water twice daily for digestion for about 3 weeks now.

  i've found it helps, but it also acts as an appetite suppressant; i've lost several pounds since using it.

  i'm consuming fewer calories because i'm just not as hungry as before.

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  Black Sheep

  It's better before it turns to vinegar
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  Plastic buckets in Paradise

  by Sour Grapes in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i remember one picture of a pretty little girl holding a plastic bucket in paradise next to a tame lion.. i asked my wife if there is going to be polution in paradise?

  of course the answer is no!!!!!..

  i asked her where did the plastic bucket come from?

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  Black Sheep

  There is one here. http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/bible-teach/remain-in-gods-love/

  Jehovah's Industrial Era Paradise. Play Spot the Sweatshop Produced items